>>62521962
To tell apart from non-pajeet export variants.>>62519948
>Baltics
>6 million people between all 3 and smaller territory than Ukraine. Everything depends on NATO.
But that would actually put them into an active conflict with NATO.
They're retarded, but not that retarded. They fully know they'd get their shit kicked in, but currently, they wouldn't even have the reserves to hold out and negotiate. It would require levels of retardation that are incomprehensible even to the most inbred and vodka-ridden steppe Russian there is.>>62519975
>In the meanwhile 14 brigades worth of AFU soldiers are sitting on their ass because there's no gear for them.
Sauce?>>62521517
>Turns out overthrowing your government and waging a civil war really does change your national spirit.
Eh, up to a point. What really forged the Ukrainian national spirit was the war against Russia. It's pretty ironic that Putin, trying to re-conquer Ukraine, destroyed all hopes of re-conquering Ukraine.Once western made modern anti-tank weapons were widespread. Tanks kinda suck.>>62525028
Oh it's down to 14. The part he left out is that Ukraine wants to get 16 freshly raised brigades kitted out with NATO shit. On the more general side, the Ukrainian military has expanded several times over since the start of the war, so there are some issues with supply, TDF units in particular are running some pretty smekalka shit to make ends meet. However, Ukraine has consistently done a better job of not putting under-equipped units into the really shitty parts of the front, so they're managing their problems better.>>62525189
>Ukraine wants to get 16 freshly raised brigades kitted out with NATO shit
that would make sense if NATO wanted ukraine to win>>62522523
>A whole-ass colour just for Turkey
lol, lmao even.>>62522261
I don't understand why these retards cry about "muh NATO expansion" when cucker literally sat across from putin as putin explained his "grossPUCCIA" hoi4 save without so much as a mention of NATO.
why, when you asked him "why did you invade Ukraine?" and he gives the longest most retarded answer possible do you STILL ad hoc the justification you think is more reasonable?>>62525138
It's funny how that works.
Finland was pretty bitterly divided in the 1920s and 30s, in the aftermath of its civil war. Murder rate through the roof, people whispering about which one of their neighbors was on that side, extremist groups terrorizing their perceived enemies, political terrorists grabbing the former president, a coup attempt, etc.
That shit sure got forgotten fast after Stalin started making insane demands.>>62525008
As I said:
>Everything depends on NATO.
Currently they won't but if NATO deteriorate due to disagreements between western europe and USA they absolutely will.>>62525213
FUGGGG>>62524687
I never would've guessed it but now it seems obvious, thanks anon>>62525189
I keep hearing that the you're youkes are really struggling with manpower and not able to rest or rotate units. Having 14 brigades worth of manpower just sitting around is wildly out of line with what I understood.>>62525225
>if NATO deteriorate due to disagreements between western europe and USA they absolutely will.
Even then, the Baltics are EU members and the EU's Article 42.7 carries a stronger obligation than NATO's Article 5.
>NATO Art.5: [...] as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force [...]
>EU Art.42.7: [...] an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power.
The EU alone is a sufficient deterrent, especially once you make it personal and wake up the European war machine from its 80-ish years of slumber.
>but muh internal conflicts
Just look at Ukraine, it has been in a civil-ish war since 2014, but a common enemy tends to make all internal divisions seem meaningless in comparison. However, in this case, it wouldn't be a country with a GDP of around $200B and a population of 41M. It would be a whole fucking continent, with a GDP of around $19.4T and a population of 449M. Even a single member of the EU, like Italy, is an economic powerhouse compared to Russia.>>62525028
This was mentioned by zelensky almost a year ago and repeated multiple times. More than a dozen brigades without gear had to sit out the fight during the summer offensive in 2023 for example. The issue is that military supplies from EU and US are very slow, some things announced in 2022 have yet to arrive still for example (the AA system purchased for Ukraine by Canada is stuck in murrican red tape for example).>>62525561
Those are two different issues and they happen in parallel, but they are also related.
When people speak about rotation they sometimes think that Joe leaves the position, having his IFV parked there, and Mac comes in to man it instead. This is very fucked up and should work instead like "unit X, along with its gear leaves, while unit Y, along with its gear takes the position instead".>>62525785
>>62525764
I wasn't aware they had man power to spare, equipment entirely aside. Can it be assumed that unequipped brigades are not trained?

And is their lack of spare forces and inability to rotate not a protracted issue?

Certainly happy to hear that they've got more bodies than I understood, that's like the one thing we can't really send them.>>62518821
The replies to this post really show how the people in this thread don't understand Russians and their politics.

The collapse of the USSR was a joyous relief for the democratic West. For Russians it was a deeply traumatic catastrophe. Their international power collapsed. Their economy collapsed and was then taken over by literal criminals. Life expectancy plummeted something like 15 years. Gorbachev is considered to be the worst Russian leader ever in Russia who led them all into the abyss.

Stalin, by contrast, presided over the building of the USSR into a superpower and is therefore remembered in Russia as a strong, fearsome leader. Ivan the Terrible is similarly remembered as are other competent Tsars. Russians alive today don't give a fuck about all the people Stalin killed. They care about the fact that they were a strong, well respected country while he ruled and so they look on his rule with nostalgia. Putin is similarly liked because he presided over a recovery period after the chaotic 90s.

As for the Orthodox Church, they've been a puppet of the State ever since Catherine the Great seized all their land. During the USSR, every since bishop and higher post had to be approved by the security services. The Church is a lapdog and has always been one.>>62525625
>it has been in a civil-ish war since 2014
Not really, faggot. That's kinda the point, 2014 was the russian chimpout, both directly (crimea) and via proxy (donbas). No sane person in Ukraine thinks that was an internal conflict, because it wasn't.>>62525903
>Can it be assumed that unequipped brigades are not trained?
Trained on using what lol? You do realize that a big factor in efficiency is having people use stuff they were trained on, hence why shit like "France will train and fully equip a brigade of AFU by itself" is very important: people are trained on specific systems, then they get those systems and use those systems.
Sure, western gear is orders of magnitude more usable and user-friendly compared to soviet shit, but even with that it doesn't really make sense to train people on some BTR-60s when people would then have M113 in their actual usage.>>62525952
>economy collapsed and was then taken over by literal criminals
Like czar monke among others lol>>62525977
>Not really, faggot. That's kinda the point, 2014 was the russian chimpout, both directly (crimea) and via proxy (donbas). No sane person in Ukraine thinks that was an internal conflict, because it wasn't.
That's why I said "-ish". I'm not saying it was an internal conflict per se, because it definitely wasn't, but it caused a rift between Ukrainians and pro-Russian "useful idiots" in the East (and not just Donbabwe and Luganda).
My whole point is that, if a (not-so-united) country can unite against a common enemy under such an extreme strain, the EU sure as fuck can. Especially when their "internal conflict" is bickering over immigration and/or internal funding (e.g., Poland being very much a net recipient of EU funds).
In other words, no matter how fucked Ukraine was, they managed to get their shit together. Considering that's the case, the EU can sure as fuck get their shit together when their internal issues are utterly meaningless in comparison.>>62526023
Oh I agree, the Russian view of their "great" leaders is highly flawed and riddled with holes. It still remains their firmly held opinion though.>>62526023
Pretty much. Poots was working for the St. Petersburg city administration at some point in the 90s, in charge of handling foreign aid, investment money and so on. His department somehow managed to misplace tens of millions of dollars.
The case was dropped after he got into Yeltsin's inner circle.>>62526046
>but it caused a rift between Ukrainians and pro-Russian "useful idiots" in the East (and not just Donbabwe and Luganda).
Kinda but not rally, people generally overstate the "pro-russianess" of those useful idiots. There's a reason why back in 2014 they had to pay people to go to "anti-maidan" rallies and why they had to bus in people for those protests from russia and transistria, such as in Kharkiv and Odesa. Outside of a small specific caste of literal traitors, most "pro-russians" were just dumb victims of propaganda, not having real beliefs, not having will to act on their beliefs and such.

>My whole point is that, if a (not-so-united) country can unite against a common enemy under such an extreme strain, the EU sure as fuck can
Can it? IMO there are deep political issues in most western countries which russian propaganda and agents of influence exploit. There's a reason AfD retards in Germany exist or why National Front in France take russian money, because the mainstream political establishment represses valid political issues, such as migration and all that. Don't get me started on millions of people throughout Europe and US who were corrupted by russia via money, CP kompromats, honeypotted and so on. Germany sucking the russian pipeline for decades was an insane shitfest of an idea obvious to anyone, even before the USSR collapse, as well as closing NPPs, yet time after time their whole political class broke their backs backwards to accommodate that crap. So much for "corrupt Ukraine" lol.

>Considering that's the case, the EU can sure as fuck get their shit together
I very much hope that you're right

>>62526088
There was also smuggling and drug traffic in the St. Pidorburg port overseen by czar monke.>>62526186
>IMO there are deep political issues in most western countries which russian propaganda and agents of influence exploit.
I agree, but my whole point is that they aren't really that hard to overcome. Well, at least once you have a common enemy. If Russia were to start a war against an EU member, it would probably take less than a day to produce a semi-decent solution to those issues just to get the support required to shove a couple hundred billion towards the MIC as in the good (?) old times. We're divided because we don't have a common enemy, so we fight amongst ourselves, however, as soon as it shows up, may God have mercy on them. We sure as fuck won't.>>62526519
NTA but this is why the most baffling thing about this whole clusterfuck, from an objective disinterested position, is that Putin *had* a stronger hand and he threw it away for nothing.
The actual, unironic smart move for him in February 2022 would have been to literally just go "Yep, routine military exercise, what are you paranoid fuckers even talking about"

People were calling Biden and the CIA chicken little. Germany and France were looking for excuses to accommodate Russia. At some point, Russia was in fact winning by doing nothing and the Russian response to this was to flip the fucking table and galvanize the West. Why? If they still exist, Russian history books decades from now will probably cope that Putin was a traitor and a CIA agent who sabotaged the country on purpose by doing exactly what the Westerners wanted>>62525008
prior to the first invasion of Ukraine there was almost no NATO presence on the Baltic. after 2014 the balts were screaming for NATO bases, which they got given. I regularly see Canadians and US troops here now, Spanish ships.
it was very smart on their part because if Ukraine had fallen, they would have been next. now putin has lost the ability to invade here, and after 2022, the Baltic states basically outlawed Russians.
no russian language in schools, no russian cars, no new non citizen passports for Russians. they destroyed all of the Russian monuments, no Russian gatherings. Russian removed as a government language.....
they went apeshit because they tried to be patient, but the Russians always acted like snow Nigerians.

now the Baltic is closed to them forever

Putins whole premise for invading Ukraine was the threat of lost culture from the abandoned soviets that infest all of Eastern Europe.
he's done more to damage russian culture than even Karl Marx and that other poofter Stalin.
the baltic states will be free of russia in just a couple more generations.>>62526745
Because they're subhumans faggots

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